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good morning we are going on the record

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at 9 30 on September 26 2022

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please note that the microphones are

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sensitive and may pick up whispering and

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private conversations please mute your

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phones at this time

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audio and video recording will continue

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to take place unless all parties agree

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to go off the Record

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this is Media unit 1 of the video

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recorded deposition of James Corey Goode

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taken by Council for defendant in the

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matter of James Corey good at all versus

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Roger Richards remsauer at all

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filed in the U.S District Court for the

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District of Colorado case number

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00947 d d k l m

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the location of this deposition is 700

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17th Street Suite 1750 Denver Colorado

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my name is Barbara horn representing

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veritech's legal Solutions I'm the

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videographer the court reporter is Randy

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Barrett from veritext

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I am not authorized to administer an

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oath I am not related to any party in

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this action nor am I financially

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interested in the outcome if there are

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any objections to proceeding please

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State them at the time of your

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appearance

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and affiliations for the record

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beginning with the noticing attorney

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my name is London Webb representing the

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along with my associate attorney

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Christian Clark and my law clerks are

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present by

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Zoom that would be Raza Khan Peter

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Tarantino

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and all my clients are either here or

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Valerie nurse for the plaintiffs and I'm

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you're about to give in this matter now

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pending will be the truth the whole

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truth nothing but the truth I do thank

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record

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j-a-m-e-s-c-o-r-e-y-g-o-o-d-e okay and

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Mr good it's we started 30 minutes late

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today I want to make sure do you feel

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able to give your deposition to the to

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the best truthful ability that you have

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Mr Webb I'm sorry really quick before we

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um I didn't hear any question about

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agreements for the record but we are

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designating this deposition is

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confidential

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the entirety of it yes we have 30 days

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under the protective order to clarify

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whatever needs to be designated if

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there's any sort of over designation but

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as of right now we're designating as

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confidential okay I'll understand that

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you're designating the entirety of it as

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confidential noted we may not agree with

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that but in recording

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right and and we we would just like to

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have all parties certified that this is

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I understand that there's some sort of

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Zoom that's going on right now but that

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this is just for the parties I mean

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under the rules it's just the parties

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that are subject to be at the deposition

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and that this is not being recorded or

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broadcast anywhere else uh your notation

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as far as the confidential designation

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uh is noted uh for whatever purposes you

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have with the federal court that's

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that's that's fine that's between you

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and whatever protective order so that's

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fine okay but can I can I have your

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representation that this isn't being

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broadcast anywhere I'm I'm not going to

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make any representation because it is

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being broadcast via Zoom so be recorded

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to whom yeah and it's being recorded

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where is it being broadcast via Zoo uh

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there's my client on the line okay both

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my law clerks are on the line and nobody

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else not that I'm aware of so okay and

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can I have your clients representation

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that this isn't being broadcast anywhere

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else

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uh this being recorded but it's not

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being broadcast at this time that my

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clients aren't here to answer questions

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but as far as your designation that I

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mean it's a deposition a deposition is a

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public proceeding because this is not

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Mother Russia so anyone can attend a

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deposition this is confidential though

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to the extent you're marking it

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confidential with the court we'll follow

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whatever protective order the court has

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in place right now so are you saying

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that this is being broadcast somewhere

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to zoom to my client and my two lock

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lyrics and that's it that's all that I'm

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if you want to check the list of

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attendees we can check okay

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it'd be nice to keep that up too

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sure is that a problem

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but I mean is there

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so you're concerned with who's watching

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or who's viewing yes okay and you might

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receive the recordings

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whatever the court designates your

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attorney has asked for it to be

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confidential before you even asked the

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answer the first question I respect that

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your attorney's protecting you okay so

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it's between her and the court whatever

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the judge decides is what we're going to

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so there's a protective order in this

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case right absolutely yeah I can blow it

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up it's not going to work yeah so we're

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following whatever that order is from

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the judge right okay all right uh do you

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remember my question no okay can I have

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thank you

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Mr good we started 30 minutes late today

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I want to make sure do you feel able to

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give your deposition to the best

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truthful ability that you can yes I am

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not feeling well I have a sinus

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infection so I'm going to be speaking my

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voice isn't going to be as loud

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so yeah but I can finish this day and

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tomorrow if needed okay are you in on

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any medications would affect your

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ability to testify truthfully today

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negative are you under the influence of

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drugs alcohol or anything else that

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you've taken your body that would affect

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your ability to testify truthfully today

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did you have an adequate night's sleep

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last night I did okay uh is there any

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reason whatsoever you can think of where

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you can't testify truthfully today no

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I've been waiting two years for this I

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want to get it over with

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uh We've brought a fan for you that

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you've requested uh is there anything

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else that you'd request to make sure

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that you're comfortable here test fine

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truthfully no okay

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tell me your residence address

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and I don't know dick

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zoning code off the top of my head the

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zip code you don't know I don't know

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what state is Longmont in Colorado okay

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how long have you resided there

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about a year and a half yeah do you have

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any other residences yes my wife and my

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two children

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okay and where do they reside with you

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I'm sorry did they reside with you at

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that address yes do you have any other

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are your are your two children are the

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age majority are they younger than 18.

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one is 18 and the other is 11. okay I'm

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not going to ask you questions about

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your 11 year old now your 18 year old

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yeah okay she hasn't graduated yet okay

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and your wife's name Stacy

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s-t-a-c-a-y s t a c y okay

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and maiden name for Stacy

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how long have you been married

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almost 30 years okay occupation for

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um she works at home but also helps

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highest level of education for Stacy

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I think we both went through our

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our junior junior year in college

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when she worked in the medical field but

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uh what when you say it lapsed what was

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it elapsed she did heart monitoring and

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icus and had to have certifications and

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those things had to be kept uh current

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so they would would have lapsed many

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years ago she then she went into the I.T

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field for about 15 to 20 years

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and didn't obtain any certifications any

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and uh for you yourself what's your

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highest level of Education

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um junior year college and uh

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technical certifications mcsc's

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average intelligent guy asks you don't

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the videographer but we also have the

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court reporter Miss Barrett doing her

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so for that reason I asked you speak

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clearly enunciate if your attorney holds

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up her hand what that means is hold on

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she wants to State an objection her

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objection for the court reporter to type

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or she wants okay but after she puts in

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her hand after your attorney has a

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chance to say her objection I still need

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you to answer my question do you

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understand that I do there's an

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exception to this rule if your attorney

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reaches her hand up State your objection

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Webb's question I'm going to then ask

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you are you going to choose to follow

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your attorney's instruction most clients

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will say yeah all my attorney's

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instruction but that's up to you to stay

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on the record whether you're going to

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follow her instruction or not do you

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understand yes okay

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go over very well for her purposes

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they're flying for the videographer but

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for the judge wants to hear an audible

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response same thing for grunts

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and to the extent you can even though

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you understand what I'm going to say

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just wait till I finish it and we'll

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take turns talking

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um today we're essentially trying to

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gather facts I may think I know a lot

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about the case but it doesn't matter at

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all what I know or what I think I know

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today all that matters is what you know

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so for that purposes I can't answer any

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questions my I have like a blank slate

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today and I'm just trying to find out

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what you know what you believe what

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you've heard even hearsay is all at

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issue today even if you've heard it

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third hand I still want to know about it

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okay because we're trying to get to the

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bottom of the matter to the facts to the

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truth to the witnesses to the names the

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documents the amounts the dates all of

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that is the goal today you understand I

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um if you answer my question I'm gonna

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interpret that that you understood my

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so what that means is if you have any

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say Mr Webb I don't think I understand

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your question can you please rephrase

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them

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I'll do it not all my questions are good

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many of them are bad and I'm happy to

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rephrase it understood understood okay

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you're going to get a booklet in a

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couple weeks the booklet is going to

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come from the court reporter it's going

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to have everything she typed down there

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okay and I want you to do two things one

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is if you have additional information

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that you think you forgot

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add it in there if you think she typed

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something wrong and she made a mistake I

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want you to write it in there

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and then you're going to send that to me

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inside under penalty of perjury you

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understand that I do okay if you make

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material changes however I'm going to

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comment on that in front of the judge or

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jury you understand yes okay

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how many times you've been deposed

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before today never

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uh

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how many other lawsuits have you been

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none none civil I had been involved with

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things with like you know when I was

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injured on the job going through the

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process but that was

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workman's comp stuff it wasn't like

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lawsuits I've never had lawsuits you've

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never had any lawsuits no no so you're

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not a party to any other lawsuit other

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than this correct well I currently have

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a lawsuit against Gaia yeah and other

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parties okay so you do have one other

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civil lawsuit yeah I do okay and that's

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the only lawsuit other than your

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workman's comp so you only have two

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civil lawsuits you've ever been a party

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of

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is bankruptcy considered

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and unfortunately you can't ask

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questions and I can help you so

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bankruptcy that's that's a form it has a

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case number of support so like in 2007

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maybe

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um I can't recall many years ago uh we

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had a bankruptcy okay when you say we

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that's you and your spouse yes okay so

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2007 filed bankruptcy

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that's a guesstimate on a date that's

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fine and I understand today it's

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estimates and I give you instruction on

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estimates today you're human even though

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like I said earlier above average

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intelligence you can't remember every

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single date every dollar amount every

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person's name but what I'm asking for

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today is your best testimony gotcha what

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that means is you're not going to

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remember the exact day in 2007 or 2008

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when you file bankruptcy but I

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appreciate what you did which is you

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gave me your best shot at what you

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remember I want to be accurate yep and

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what what accurate means is in front of

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a judge or a jury I'm going to disallow

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anything

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then that you remember that you don't

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now or do my best to so I need you to

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give me your best shot at remembering

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things today because this is this is

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closer to the assignment events that

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anything happened so if you think hey

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you know I have a bankruptcy I think it

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was 2000 2008 2007 2008

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give me approximates today

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if you remember there was a male or two

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or three people that you met with in

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California or in Palm Desert somewhere

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at some convention or something you know

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just say you know I think there was

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about three or four people there I don't

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remember exactly I don't remember all

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their names but one of them was named

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Billy or one of them was

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you know you know contact the desert

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something you know anything like that

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just tell me your best shot does that

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make sense yes same thing for amounts

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and dates so even for amounts if you say

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you know what I don't remember that

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exact dollar amount but it was between

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100 to 200 000 it was raised at that

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event

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that's fine

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okay even if you say you know what it

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was probably under a million dollars but

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more than five hundred thousand even a

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range that big is still something that

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we want to understand what you know does

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that make sense yes okay

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um

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so you said workers comp one bankruptcy

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this lawsuit and one other lawsuit yeah

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the Ricoh suit with Gaia Rico suit with

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Gaia

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not that I can think of okay and when I

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say suits I mean as a plaintiff where

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you're suing them or as a defendant

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where they're suing you those four are

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it right I've never had that type of

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legal

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problems okay when you say that type of

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legal problems what other type of legal

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problems have you had

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none I've never had civil criminal legal

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issues at all okay and you bring up a

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fair point Have you ever been convicted

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of a felony no I've never been arrested

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okay I and I don't need to know that

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um did you receive

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who is Liz Laurie Liz Laurie is one of

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my attorneys are you in a lawsuit with

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that person no uh they oh yeah yeah they

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filed a lawsuit and then quickly dropped

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it against us here in the state of

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Colorado I forgot about that okay so

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that'd be a fifth lawsuit

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they filed it and then they dismissed it

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later on uh let me ask you are other

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than those five lawsuits are there any

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others that you're that you might need

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to remember no

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I don't think so I mean that's all I can

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recall I don't I mean I forgot about the

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Liz Laurie thing because it was such a

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quick little blip okay and when you say

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quick little blip can you quantify what

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that means to you

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she filed a lawsuit and then when she

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was informed that she'd probably lose

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her law license and the lawsuit she

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quickly withdrew it

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what led you to believe that she would

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lose her law license and I'm going to

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instruct the client not to develop

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divulge any sort of attorney-client

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privilege information yeah and any

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question I asked today if you learn that

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information from your attorney don't

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tell me but if you learned outside of

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your attorney or if in addition to your

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attorney you confirm that information

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with someone else

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I am entitled to that information you

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understand is that a yes yes okay so did

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you understand and any question today is

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outside from your attorney did you learn

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any reason why Liz Laurie would have

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lost or had a danger of her license by

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virtue of that lawsuit just what my

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attorneys told me okay nothing else

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did no independent research talk to no

447
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one about it no okay and I asked that in

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a bad way did you talk to anyone about

449
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it about the what was going on

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absolutely who other than Liz Laurie did

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you talk to about that lawsuit other

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than your attorney uh people were uh

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approaching me off the internet because

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they made sure it was uh

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um very public as a part of uh takedown

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campaign against me that they joined in

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with your uh

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plaintiff's doing are you seeing where

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my clients were parties to the Liz

460
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Laurie lawsuit you know they were

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parties to the video that she released

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where she made the lawsuit public she

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quickly dropped it after that video

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but yeah they were a part of that video

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campaign to

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take down my Public Image within this

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spiritual Community okay is it your

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understanding that lawsuits are private

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no they're not private but

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they're also something they don't pop up

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on the radar unless people

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put them on social media and in this

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case it was done by everyone that your

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people all your people were working with

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so

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the videos that were released just

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before Christmas of what was it 2019 I

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believe okay and how people what's your

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understanding of how Liz Laurie was

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introduced to my clients

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through me why did you introduce Liz

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Laurie to my clients she introduced

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herself in Hawaii as someone who wanted

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to be one of our volunteers

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and when you say she you're talking

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about Liz Laurie Liz Laurie and she

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introduced herself in Hawaii someone who

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wanted to volunteer she was at one of

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our events or not our events she was at

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Jonah Ocean's event

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say that again Joan Joan ocean

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and she just briefly introduced herself

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gave me a card like this

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and on the back it said that she would

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like to help us in any way possible as a

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volunteer

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and what was your response

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um I thanked her and then I believe we

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started

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conversing through emails

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later and when you say it worked for us

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who's the US that she would work for me

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and my wife

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okay was there an entity that you and

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your wife were running at the time that

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Liz Laurie wanted to work for or

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volunteer for is there a What entity

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entity yeah

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um well our

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um

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our company I'm sorry this is getting

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into attorney-client privileged

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information it absolutely is if she was

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working for him as an attorney talk

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asking why who she wanted to work for

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and what she was going to do as attorney

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client privileged

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uh your your attorney is is citing the

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attorney client privilege are you

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choosing to follow your attorney's

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instruction at this time and not answer

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the question yes okay fair enough

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and you understand that if you if you

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choose not to answer a question or

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attorney-client privilege in the court

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Council I don't know why you're trying

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to give my client legal advice I've

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given you a lot of latitude up to this

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point but if you want to ask your

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questions ask your questions but stop

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giving him legal advice counsel I

532
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appreciate your objections can you wait

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till I finish my question we'll take

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turns happy to have you say what you

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want to say on the record is that fair

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that's fair okay yes and please stop and

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instructing my client

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you understand that this is basically

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your under summons you're under court

540
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order to be here I do and you understand

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your client your attorney has a right to

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tell you not to answer a question you

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understand that correct I do and you

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understand you have a right to not

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answer any question but you understand

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there's a risk that you may be asked to

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pay sanctions monetary and come back

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again if that's not an attorney-client

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issue you understand that I do okay fair

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enough

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council do you have anything else you

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want to say for the record I'm happy to

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meet and confer with you off the Record

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actually I do I recognize Mr Kennedy and

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Miss Youngblood I do not recognize the

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young lady at the end and you stated

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that it was your clients that were here

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okay

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um let me ask you as far as preparing

560
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:18,659
for the deposition did you receive the

561
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:19,980
deposition notice and I'm going to hand

562
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:29,390
Council you have a copy

563
00:23:56,159 --> 00:24:00,169
thank you

564
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:02,930
take a moment to review exhibit one

565
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:05,820
for the record it is

566
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:10,080
the notice of taking deposition is good

567
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,110
oh thank you

568
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:27,430
foreign

569
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:30,710
page document and a particular note I

570
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:32,100
want to make sure

571
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,720
that I refresh your recollection there's

572
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:35,340
actually a

573
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:36,659
proof of service on the end of The Nine

574
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:40,679
Pages from seven to nine

575
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:43,260
sure let me see we have this page two is

576
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,960
missing it's double-sided oh okay thank

577
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,480
you okay okay

578
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:52,080
on the page seven through nine a

579
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,700
particular interest is the documents to

580
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:56,640
be produced there's 24 categories

581
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:58,440
if you could just take a moment and let

582
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:00,059
me know when you're done previewing

583
00:25:34,919 --> 00:26:04,370
foreign

584
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,230
have you seen this document before today

585
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,940
exhibit one I believe so yes okay when

586
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:10,860
was the first time approximately you saw

587
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:17,090
I I can't remember I've seen so many

588
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:20,100
documents it's a big blur do you

589
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,720
remember being asked to produce

590
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,760
documents for today's deposition I do

591
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,640
okay did you undertake a search for each

592
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:29,159
of the categories of documents listed we

593
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,120
did yeah did you in fact produce any and

594
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:35,159
all documents that are responsive to

595
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:37,320
those 24 categories to my attorney yes

596
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,360
okay and uh did you have any trouble or

597
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,520
challenge obtaining any of the documents

598
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:46,740
listed in the 24 categories starting on

599
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:52,850
no I mean I

600
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:56,220
see starting with which one I'm sorry

601
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,200
starting on page seven of exhibit one

602
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,840
there's 24 categories did you have any

603
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:02,100
challenges

604
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,960
finding any of the documents that are

605
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:05,700
referred to here and when I say

606
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,700
documents I mean emails

607
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:11,220
text messages

608
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:13,020
anything that could possibly be in

609
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,159
written form

610
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,080
no I was able to find I believe

611
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,010
and

612
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:24,529
where did you search when you search for

613
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,190
can you clarify sure when you search for

614
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:34,080
these 24 categories and you said you you

615
00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:35,940
were able to find everything where were

616
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:38,340
you looking and well emails it just

617
00:27:43,149 --> 00:27:40,620
depends on what the category is

618
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:43,159
if there were documents we were looking

619
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:46,380
for digital documents

620
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,779
on our computer

621
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,940
and when you say on your computer what

622
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,279
kind of computer is it well

623
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:55,500
it's not on our computers

624
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,100
um

625
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,120
and one of our we have different storage

626
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,320
cloud storage

627
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:04,140
and then we view it on our computer what

628
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:07,620
storage cloud storage do you use Dropbox

629
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:09,179
and

630
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,159
I think that's it

631
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:16,559
and what email address is Tethered to

632
00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:19,140
those two accounts Dropbox and pcloud

633
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:27,970
there could be some Google

634
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,059
storage also associated with the sphere

635
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:36,659
being Alliance at gmail account can you

636
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:43,799
spell that again s p h e r e b e i n g

637
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:51,409
at gmail

638
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:54,409
and when you say good E-Tech your name

639
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:56,940
has an e on the end of it yes and so is

640
00:29:03,049 --> 00:28:58,860
there an extra e

641
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:03,059
uh or is it o d e t e c h okay because

642
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,320
you mentioned e after the good but okay

643
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,140
so it's good with an e at the end of it

644
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,419
tag at yahoo.com

645
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,400
it's fear being

646
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:16,799
I'm sorry I'll start again sphere being

647
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,620
Alliance gmail.com those the only two

648
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:22,440
email addresses you use no over the

649
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:25,980
years there have been many others we

650
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:28,860
would start up like

651
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:32,039
whatever uh project we're working at at

652
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:35,159
gmail.com and there I couldn't even

653
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,779
begin to name them all

654
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:38,880
right now we'd have to list them out and

655
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:42,240
then produce them to you okay would you

656
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:43,799
like me to ask Corey Porter to put a

657
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:45,179
blank in the transcript and you can add

658
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,440
those in later

659
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,740
yeah but yeah yeah okay we'll do we'll

660
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,899
do that yeah because you said you said

661
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,600
you can't even begin yeah yeah

662
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,940
okay fair enough uh how many do you

663
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,919
think just so she leaves enough lines do

664
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,899
you think it's like 10 or 14. I don't

665
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:02,940
know uh Roger Richards usually created

666
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,600
them as a way for us to uh to

667
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,520
communicate within those emails and have

668
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:11,279
everything different projects have all

669
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:13,140
of that information come to that email

670
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,799
okay so I can give you what I think are

671
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,419
the different email addresses but they

672
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,120
weren't set up I mean okay

673
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,039
now earlier we talked about

674
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,480
attorney-client privilege and I don't

675
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,279
want to know anything that you spoke

676
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:28,860
with about to your attorney

677
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,659
unless you spoke about it with someone

678
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,100
else and that's particularly what I want

679
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,919
to ask about Liz Laurie with that person

680
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,140
did you who else did you speak with

681
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,020
other than Liz Lurie and other than your

682
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:42,179
attorney about that conflict with Liz

683
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:44,220
Laurie

684
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:47,220
objection Ashton answered you can answer

685
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:50,460
it's not a proper objection go ahead I

686
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,820
can't remember I was being approached

687
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,159
frantically by people within the

688
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:58,140
community that were asking me about the

689
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:01,260
public allegations from your clients and

690
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,740
the person that you mentioned and I was

691
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:07,679
being bombarded in a complete like total

692
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:11,159
PR nightmare uh so I couldn't even begin

693
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:12,539
to tell you

694
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:14,700
who all I was

695
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:18,360
I mean I went to East seti he said he

696
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:21,960
was an event where I I was speaking and

697
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:24,600
I was there with my entire family and

698
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:27,659
Liz Laurie was there and

699
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:31,080
saying these same things to anyone who

700
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,520
would listen and people were coming up

701
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:34,380
to me and asking about it I could even

702
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:35,880
begin to tell you

703
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,000
who the people were okay so dozens of

704
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,559
people were coming up to dozens of

705
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:42,659
people okay would you estimate between

706
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:45,419
50 and 100 or more than 100 people at

707
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,580
that event or just overall they came up

708
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,720
to you and talked to you about the Liz

709
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,760
Laurie conflict dozens

710
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:54,000
okay and just and that was at the eseti

711
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,179
event doesn't is that yes at the study

712
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,399
event I probably had

713
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,679
probably eight or nine

714
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,779
people do you remember any of their

715
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,230
see

716
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:14,090
and I can't remember the name of

717
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,260
the people in this crew there were like

718
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:19,740
several people in his crew that were

719
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,980
being told all of these details and were

720
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:24,659
coming to ask me about it

721
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,850
and then outside of the e-city event

722
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:33,360
where other people coming up to you

723
00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:43,669
I can't recall so you don't remember

724
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:45,659
anyone emailing you about the Liz Laurie

725
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:53,750
I don't recall

726
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:58,140
uh email from I I received a bunch of

727
00:33:05,169 --> 00:33:02,279
emails during the time period of the um

728
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,179
video releases that your clients made

729
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,860
that's the time period that most people

730
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,260
were really curious because it had not

731
00:33:14,889 --> 00:33:12,360
gotten around through the entire

732
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:14,899
Community yet until the videos

733
00:33:20,889 --> 00:33:18,240
were made and then strategically sent to

734
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,899
all the

735
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:23,519
most powerful people in the community

736
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:26,820
did you keep a copy of those emails

737
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,320
I'm sure I did I don't delete

738
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,640
emails they would have come into the

739
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:34,559
sphere being Alliance

740
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:38,340
Gmail account uh I think there's

741
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:40,760
other accounts associated

742
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:43,980
that my partner has with Ascension Works

743
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:45,740
TV

744
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:49,080
a platform we've started

745
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:50,100
um

746
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:51,620
but we were

747
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,159
my I think that they were receiving a

748
00:34:03,529 --> 00:33:59,360
lot of questions and the um

749
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:03,539
customer service emails during my course

750
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,140
when you say they who's they uh the uh

751
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,480
Liz Laurie and the people that were

752
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:12,000
helping her with

753
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,580
uh oh no my one of my latest courses

754
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,560
that would have been Mike wazkowski and

755
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:17,599
his wife

756
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:21,300
Elizabeth waskoski who are my partners

757
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,149
they were taking care of the customer

758
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,919
service and my later

759
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,419
courses

760
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,280
when did they begin taking care of your

761
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,720
customer service for your courses

762
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,220
whenever my second course came out I

763
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:43,619
don't remember the date

764
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,329
2021 I believe I

765
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:52,679
don't recall the date they

766
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,070
do you have any documents that are

767
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:06,000
that you brought with you today to

768
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:07,740
produce above and beyond what you

769
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:24,050
and you've handed me three things tell

770
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:26,220
me what these three things are thumb

771
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,780
drive with all of the documents

772
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:29,359
requested

773
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:33,480
a physical copy of the SBA Universe

774
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:36,119
franchise Bible That's based on my

775
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:38,940
information and then the graphic novel

776
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,820
completed graphic novel

777
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,220
and on the thumb drive how many

778
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,440
documents are on the thumb drive

779
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:49,440
I couldn't begin to tell you hundreds

780
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,349
maybe maybe hundreds Maybe

781
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,870
I turned over a lot

782
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:01,740
and are these documents previously

783
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:03,540
produced or are these documents that are

784
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:05,880
haven't been produced before

785
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,910
um Council I just want to note for the

786
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:15,660
record that because this was under

787
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,300
subpoena Deuces take them and not a

788
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,160
formal request for production we did we

789
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,839
weren't given the full 30 days to

790
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:24,000
appropriately Bates number all of these

791
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,740
so some of them are previously produced

792
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,720
the ones that have not been previously

793
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,240
produced but produced in response to the

794
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:32,760
subpoena will Bates number get to within

795
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,200
the 38th period

796
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,200
okay so on the thumb drive uh just so

797
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:39,119
I'm clear some of these have already

798
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:40,320
been produced some of them have not

799
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:53,990
did you discuss your concerns with Liz

800
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,370
discuss my concerns yes to be more

801
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,420
specific sure any of the problems you

802
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,920
were having with Liz Lori did you

803
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,020
discuss any of those with Mike uh

804
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,000
weskowski

805
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,099
at some point yes I would have because

806
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:16,440
he was my partner

807
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,780
and uh what did you tell him your

808
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,180
concerns were

809
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:24,560
I believe the ethics violations

810
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,010
um

811
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,800
way that they had handled business

812
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:37,020
with us and how much damage they had

813
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,740
caused you say they who's they Liz and

814
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,440
her mom Liz Laurie and her mom what's

815
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:45,839
your mom's name

816
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,020
maybe I can't did you name her in the

817
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,119
suit as well

818
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:53,760
and what suit it was did you cross

819
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,820
complain against Liz Laurie no

820
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,859
okay so she wasn't a party she was not a

821
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:01,500
party to the suit so the suit that uh

822
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,099
lives right I don't know

823
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:08,160
was there one plaintiff suing you or two

824
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,940
I I remember Liz Laurie I believe it was

825
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,800
just Liz Laurie but I

826
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,420
couldn't tell you it was such a quick

827
00:38:19,849 --> 00:38:17,940
little blip they went through it as soon

828
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,859
as quickly as they

829
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:22,560
filed it

830
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:24,900
what they were through the same day no

831
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,280
but very quickly

832
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,839
when you say very quickly what does that

833
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:29,579
mean to you

834
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,520
by the time I asked an attorney to get

835
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,380
involved and they started to contact

836
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,020
their attorney they dropped it well you

837
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:38,400
saved their attorney so Elizabeth

838
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:42,960
attorney dropped the suit as soon as the

839
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,440
attorney I hired started to engage them

840
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:48,960
and who is your attorney in that matter

841
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:52,200
I cannot remember their name Denver

842
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:55,140
attorney Denver yeah

843
00:39:04,310 --> 00:38:57,960
male or female male

844
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:07,910
I believe we researched online I can't I

845
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:15,170
okay did you ever talk to Dave Wilcox

846
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:18,780
about Liz Laurie yes how would you tell

847
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:22,680
Dave Wilcox about the Liz Laurie

848
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:27,420
it was more of me responding to him uh

849
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:30,420
telling me her allegations

850
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:34,500
and what was my response to them

851
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:35,700
and what did you understand her

852
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:37,380
allegations to be

853
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:38,940
that

854
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:39,480
um

855
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:42,599
I wasn't that I

856
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,680
wasn't going to pay her for the work she

857
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:48,720
had done

858
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:49,560
um

859
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:55,010
I can't I can't remember it I haven't

860
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,760
I've

861
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,920
purposefully not watched those videos I

862
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,500
can't remember what all she said

863
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,540
how much was she alleging approximately

864
00:40:09,609 --> 00:40:06,540
that you owed at that time well it was

865
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:09,619
changing she had agreed to 33 percent

866
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,180
and the 10th week of the uh course she

867
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,599
demanded 45 I believe

868
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:21,000
and she had had every person that she

869
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,440
wouldn't let anyone come near me unless

870
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:24,540
they signed a contract

871
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:28,380
and she refused to provide a contract

872
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,400
for me

873
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:32,640
with her until the end because she was

874
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:34,680
said she was just too busy

875
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:37,740
and then she sent me the contract and a

876
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,589
did you ever sign a contract with Liz

877
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:47,700
Laurie no

878
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:49,020
so at the beginning of your relationship

879
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:50,579
you never had a written fee agreement

880
00:41:04,970 --> 00:40:53,220
she never presented one that was one of

881
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,550
uh you mentioned that Mike waskowski is

882
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,500
your partner he is what partnership was

883
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:12,480
that regarding

884
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:13,040
um

885
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:21,109
and what kind of entity is that

886
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:24,920
it's a kind of a social media platform

887
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:30,540
that is morphing into a video streaming

888
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:33,660
kind of mixture hybrid

889
00:41:38,109 --> 00:41:37,079
is Ascension Works TV a Colorado LLC or

890
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:38,119
S Corp

891
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,470
do you maintain uh minutes for that

892
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:49,920
every year

893
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,320
uh yes Mike and his wife do

894
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,740
you file taxes yes

895
00:42:02,810 --> 00:41:58,560
his wife is in uh

896
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:02,820
accountant which I've been begging for

897
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,780
for years that's Elizabeth yes

898
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,579
we say begging for for years what do you

899
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:11,640
mean accountants

900
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,089
well your clients

901
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:19,260
that was the original agreement that

902
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,400
everything would be done according

903
00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:22,800
according to Industry standard attorneys

904
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:24,980
contracts and

905
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,500
accountants would be used

906
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:30,900
I was very heavily stipulating on that

907
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,099
okay

908
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,930
ever volunteer for your full disclosure

909
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:41,820
product project

910
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:45,660
full disclosure prod I pretty sure if he

911
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:53,630
okay

912
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,190
and is there some sort of relationship

913
00:43:03,170 --> 00:42:59,750
and Mike or some concern about a

914
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,180
relationship there yeah there was uh an

915
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:05,220
incident to where

916
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:06,240
um

917
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,760
I guess Mike

918
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,859
uh and

919
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,119
were

920
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,700
working together and I felt

921
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:15,960
uncomfortable

922
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,780
at his house and we had to go pick her

923
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,839
up from Colorado Springs

924
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:24,180
she didn't have a car

925
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,670
why was she working at his house

926
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,500
I don't know that was before she really

927
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,300
worked for me

928
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,119
she was just volunteering

929
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:42,720
at that time and her and

930
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,089
and so who picked her up my wife Stacy

931
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:54,420
and where did you take

932
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,210
did anything come of that concern or

933
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:04,619
that incident between my control

934
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,160
um yeah Mike we told him that we

935
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:10,020
wouldn't be able to work with him for a

936
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:15,480
period of time and asked that he uh

937
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:18,599
learn to be a little bit more sensitive

938
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:22,079
about the environments that he creates

939
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,150
it's not autistic high functioning

940
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,200
autistic it's uh

941
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,420
Asperger or something like that and he

942
00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:35,760
has he's real high functioning

943
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,660
intellectually but with personal

944
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:41,760
relationships he's kind of it's a little

945
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:52,069
but there is No Malice on his side

946
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,579
it's just

947
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:54,960
you have to be careful of that thing

948
00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:03,670
foreign

949
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,750
a different relationship

950
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:10,910
yeah until Mike

951
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:13,619
became married in the last few years I

952
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:15,060
don't I'd never known him to be in a

953
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,859
relationship and at the time of that

954
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:18,300
incident between Mike

955
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:20,940
who's Mike in a relationship no that was

956
00:45:41,230 --> 00:45:36,950
and currently do you have an employer

957
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:44,329
are you gonna where you get a pay uh pay

958
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:45,359
stub

959
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,540
no okay so you have no W-2 employment

960
00:45:56,290 --> 00:45:49,980
when was the last time you had a

961
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:58,270
2013

962
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:01,560
or 12 12 or 13.

963
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:17,210
starts with a d their name it's escaping

964
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:19,859
I was there

965
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,250
and earlier I mentioned you know what

966
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,119
was the last time you had a traditional

967
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:47,520
9-5 job did you have any other salary

968
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,500
jobs uh uh between 2012 and current time

969
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:54,720
no okay

970
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,740
and so what is your current occupation

971
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,309
content creator I guess okay

972
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,839
and when you say a content creator what

973
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:08,099
does that mean to you

974
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,060
I create content that is to be used in

975
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:14,579
documentaries TV shows video games

976
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:29,750
instead of video games graphic novels TV

977
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,480
shows I think there's a fourth

978
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,650
movies documentaries

979
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:41,700
television shows

980
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,540
graphic novels and video games

981
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,800
and how long have you considered

982
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:48,780
yourself to be a content creator

983
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,510
. what did you do for income between

984
00:48:02,329 --> 00:47:58,740
2012

985
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,339
13 when you left that other company in

986
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:05,220
2015.

987
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,760
[Music]

988
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,040
um

989
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:09,780
2013 and 15 I was probably on workman's

990
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:15,589
but I'm not sure

991
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:23,990
give me the time period again sure 2013

992
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,119
to 15. I don't

993
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:29,880
for a short period of time she got a

994
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,530
she worked there part-time for like

995
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,640
month or two

996
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:46,560
okay

997
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,040
and right now as content creator what is

998
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,020
the primary entity that you work with

999
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,200
currently to create income

1000
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,900
I create through good

1001
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,240
my company

1002
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,160
I I must not understand the question

1003
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:03,900
what's the name of the company good

1004
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:15,290
and is that an LLC S Corp Inc

1005
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,119
is that a Colorado Corp yes it started

1006
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,440
off in Texas

1007
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,960
and when we moved to Colorado in 2017 we

1008
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:27,109
transferred removed or whatever why'd

1009
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,119
you move from Texas to Colorado in 2017.

1010
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,520
originally we thought we were going to

1011
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,200
be doing new TV shows with Gaia

1012
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:38,400
television and they were really excited

1013
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:41,160
to have us close by

1014
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:54,290
and so you already had good Enterprise

1015
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,839
Solutions Inc the Texas entity prior to

1016
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:00,960
your 2017 move for how many years

1017
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,030
and that's your primary entity that you

1018
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:13,920
work with to produce income correct yes

1019
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,309
what are the

1020
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,020
well Ascension Works TV also

1021
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:24,480
yeah we have that we did our

1022
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,920
last two courses through I think and now

1023
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:29,940
we're

1024
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,670
okay an Ascension Works CV is what kind

1025
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,119
of entity

1026
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:41,280
I think it's an LLC

1027
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:46,910
and you say we do our court courses

1028
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:48,359
through them who's we

1029
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:54,470
should create content as well

1030
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:01,870
and now she creates sometimes

1031
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,980
not often when you say participates in

1032
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:07,520
the delivery what do you mean by that

1033
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,809
she's a spokesperson on video on camera

1034
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:19,800
yeah she appears with me on camera in

1035
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:24,230
do you have any other employees that you

1036
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:25,619
manage or supervised that have been

1037
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:27,500
employees of either those two entities

1038
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:30,599
good Enterprise Solutions Inc or

1039
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:34,319
Ascension Works TV LLC since 2015.

1040
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:37,800
Ascension Works TV let's see

1041
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,420
uh I think we have a contractor

1042
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:43,619
who's doing a lot of the customer

1043
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:46,200
service emails for us

1044
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:47,400
how long

1045
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:48,780
have you been doing customer service

1046
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,990
a year to year and a half

1047
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:55,920
who did them prior to

1048
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:58,260
Debbie Graham

1049
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,559
just various volunteers

1050
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:03,839
did you ever have anyone on the payroll

1051
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:07,200
at ascensionworks TV LLC other than

1052
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,940
yourself and your wife

1053
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,339
no I believe she's just a contractor but

1054
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,640
I'm not sure we'd have to ask Mike

1055
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:16,440
when you say just a contractor what does

1056
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,740
that mean to you independent contractor

1057
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,359
and why is she an independent contractor

1058
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:23,400
instead of an employee I don't know

1059
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:32,089
our Mike and Elizabeth members of

1060
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:35,640
Ascension Works TV LLC yes well Mike is

1061
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:38,880
I I don't recall how it breaks down

1062
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:41,880
but I believe I'm I believe they have 40

1063
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:44,760
percent stake

1064
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:46,680
when you said they you're referring to

1065
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:47,940
Mike and Elizabeth Mike and Elizabeth

1066
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,250
and that's documented in a some sort of

1067
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:56,640
an operating agreement

1068
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:04,370
where do you keep things like operating

1069
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:05,819
agreements

1070
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,960
Stacy uh keeps them

1071
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:12,359
oh would Stacy keep those on the cloud

1072
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,720
on like one of those uh what is it P

1073
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:18,300
Cloud Google or Dropbox

1074
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:20,579
I don't know exactly where she keeps

1075
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,500
them I know she also keeps some physical

1076
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:25,079
files

1077
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:26,339
the business

1078
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:27,960
and where the physical files for the

1079
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,599
business kept at our home

1080
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,160
we're at your home

1081
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:34,500
and down in the office

1082
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:38,099
is the office in a basement yes

1083
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:40,920
is it like a wooden cabinet steel steel

1084
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:43,079
drawer what what kind of location I

1085
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,170
to some sort of a safe with a little

1086
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,240
kind you can put heavy lock box things

1087
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,359
but it's more it's mobile you can pick

1088
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,280
it up and walk with it I believe so yeah

1089
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,160
is it the size of a box approximately

1090
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,440
like a like a paper box yeah it's more

1091
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:06,720
like a file size of like normal normal

1092
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,940
file

1093
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,400
storage and

1094
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,619
yeah just reflect your your hands are

1095
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:15,660
showing about 10 or 12 inches 10 or 13

1096
00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:16,740
inches

1097
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:19,619
I rarely interact with that box that's

1098
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,500
more her role and I've got a couple of

1099
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,720
my own you know that aren't business

1100
00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:26,960
related that I keep valuables in okay

1101
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:29,579
what else is Stacy that sounds like

1102
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:31,140
that's more Stacy's

1103
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,700
territory she handles some of the

1104
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:34,640
paperwork is that right yeah yeah

1105
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:38,400
digital organize it

1106
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:40,680
and uh why why do you have her do that

1107
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,140
instead of you doing it

1108
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,839
he's better at it okay

1109
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:48,540
everybody's got their strengths right

1110
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:49,260
um

1111
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,180
So when you say she's better at it what

1112
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,819
else is she better at that the two of

1113
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:55,380
you delegate to her to do instead of you

1114
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,510
um

1115
00:55:06,010 --> 00:55:02,480
I'm not a big talker she normally

1116
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,020
when we're in business social

1117
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:08,160
she's amazing

1118
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,500
uh for business social uh Gatherings and

1119
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:15,119
like meetings because I'm just not a

1120
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:16,859
talkative person and

1121
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,430
other than being social and talking is

1122
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,780
there anything else and the maintaining

1123
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,880
files is there anything else that she

1124
00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:28,079
handles

1125
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,049
uh you know I mean we when it comes to

1126
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:38,819
taxes and all that we

1127
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,230
now earlier you said uh

1128
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:47,280
Elizabeth or Mike handle taxes I thought

1129
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:53,809
okay

1130
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:56,460
and you're saying for what about good

1131
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,579
Enterprise Solutions Inc we have uh

1132
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,680
accountants

1133
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:04,319
that take care of everything for us and

1134
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:05,520
we just

1135
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,000
send them the information okay do they

1136
00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:10,980
do your bookkeeping as well as the taxes

1137
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:14,300
the accountants to a degree

1138
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:16,980
but they're not managing our funds yet

1139
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:19,619
it's uh we're speaking to them to start

1140
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:23,280
to manage our funds we're gonna

1141
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:24,599
it's going to be the next conversation

1142
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:26,700
with them

1143
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:38,770
located here in Denver in Colorado

1144
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:46,190
I can't recall their name so we can

1145
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:49,619
absolutely send that I'll put let's put

1146
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:51,000
a blank in the transcript we could add

1147
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:57,710
foreign

1148
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:00,470
other than those two entities the good

1149
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:03,540
Enterprise Solutions Inc Ascension Works

1150
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:06,660
TV LLC do you have any other entities

1151
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:09,660
for which you're currently doing work

1152
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:19,849
no I don't think so when you said

1153
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,339
Stacy's the talker Stacy handles some of

1154
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:25,079
the organization of the paperwork

1155
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:26,579
maybe he's involved with some of the

1156
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:29,940
taxes what is your role that's not hers

1157
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:33,780
in relation to those two entities

1158
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:36,420
content creation

1159
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:39,440
and uh

1160
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:41,339
pitching

1161
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,150
and uh

1162
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:49,380
overseeing the legal agreements and

1163
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:52,980
stuff is is my purview

1164
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,900
when you say overseeing legal agreements

1165
00:57:57,609 --> 00:57:56,640
you mean legal documents that are signed

1166
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:57,619
and

1167
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,540
uh memorialize agreements between your

1168
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:04,079
entities and others correct okay

1169
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,180
has always been your practice to sign

1170
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:09,000
agreements to memorialize assign

1171
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,619
contracts to memorialize your agreements

1172
00:58:17,290 --> 00:58:12,960
with others it's always been my practice

1173
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,300
to do everything with contracts and uh

1174
00:58:24,049 --> 00:58:19,680
you know this community is real weird

1175
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:26,870
tell me more about that struggle

1176
00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:31,740
um no one uh oh I I've been pulled the

1177
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:33,800
site several times

1178
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,420
and kind of told Corey I know you come

1179
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:37,980
from the corporate world but in this

1180
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:41,339
community we don't do corporations we

1181
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,140
don't do contracts we don't do

1182
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:45,599
accountants we don't do lawyers we do

1183
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:49,160
the honor System and if someone

1184
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:51,900
makes an honorable agreement with the

1185
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,940
other and doesn't keep up with it we go

1186
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:55,980
to our elders and people and all of this

1187
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,819
stuff

1188
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:58,980
so that's what I've had to contend with

1189
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,020
throughout the whole process even now

1190
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:04,400
when people want to come to us and do

1191
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:08,520
courses about their spiritual stuff many

1192
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,260
of them don't want to pay taxes they

1193
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:12,900
don't it's it's very difficult we had

1194
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,420
they won't work with us because

1195
00:59:19,329 --> 00:59:17,760
we have a different standard than a lot

1196
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:19,339
of other companies

1197
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,380
in the community that turn blind eyes

1198
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:23,940
and are always looking for ways to not

1199
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,319
do taxes

1200
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:27,059
we said we have different standards who

1201
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,119
do we Stacy and I and what are your

1202
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,339
standards our standards are that

1203
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,559
everything has to be done of course

1204
00:59:38,329 --> 00:59:37,140
according to Industry standard in the

1205
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:38,339
entertainment industry because that's

1206
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:39,720
what this is

1207
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,819
and uh

1208
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:43,680
it's been a battle to get people to

1209
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:46,440
agree to do that okay so you've always

1210
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,359
wanted things in writing to be signed

1211
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:50,700
memorialized documented so expectations

1212
00:59:56,270 --> 00:59:53,760
are set and met yeah my earliest emails

1213
00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:56,280
demand that from everybody okay

1214
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:59,400
uh did your later emails still demand

1215
01:00:03,130 --> 01:00:00,540
that from everybody

1216
01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:03,140
is that a yes yes

1217
01:00:09,010 --> 01:00:06,359
all the way through it was a total

1218
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:09,020
battle to get people to

1219
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:12,720
do contracts to do especially accounting

1220
01:00:17,890 --> 01:00:15,059
I was always told we're not ready for

1221
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:17,900
accountants uh

1222
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,099
attorneys were treated like they were

1223
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,680
the police

1224
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:23,880
attorney happened to be at an event

1225
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:26,579
people were you know it's just a kind of

1226
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:28,380
a weird Community a lot of them are kind

1227
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:31,260
of anarchist type mindsets to they they

1228
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,579
don't believe in the judicial system

1229
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:35,280
they don't believe in taxes they it's

1230
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:37,799
it's pretty wild what's your thought

1231
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:40,980
about going to the Elder before uh for

1232
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:43,380
to resolve an issue before doing

1233
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:44,640
something else

1234
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:48,900
I think before well you know that's kind

1235
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:51,540
of what we did we for with your clients

1236
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:53,099
for about a year we were trying to

1237
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:56,579
settle things before you know taking the

1238
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:00,119
steps that we took we always try to take

1239
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,819
steps to solve things with Gaia we tried

1240
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:05,760
to work with them for three years

1241
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,020
um and they filed suit before we did uh

1242
01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:12,839
with uh the trademarks

1243
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:16,520
so you know uh we are not litigious and

1244
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:20,339
uh easy to jump onto lawsuits but when

1245
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:23,400
it comes to people violating our

1246
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:26,880
agreements and trying to completely

1247
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:29,880
destroy our ability to make any money in

1248
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:31,559
the spiritual Community which these

1249
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:32,819
people did

1250
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:36,180
did and we can prove it on paper made

1251
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:37,619
you know like seven hundred thousand

1252
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:40,020
dollars or more

1253
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,460
uh at a you know doing a course and then

1254
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:46,559
these Jokers come out and we're making

1255
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,180
like sixty thousand

1256
01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:49,920
and people are saying that they're not

1257
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:51,299
going to take our course because of what

1258
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,980
these people said you

1259
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:54,839
know I see a smile

1260
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,480
okay they're very happy with what they

1261
01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:59,460
did Mr good just focused on me today I

1262
01:02:02,690 --> 01:02:00,839
understand all the parties have a right

1263
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:02,700
to be here but it's just a day for you

1264
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:04,980
and I to talk is that agreeable okay so

1265
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:07,980
you're saying there's 700 000 uh for a

1266
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:10,619
course and you're saying there's monies

1267
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:11,960
that aren't being accounted for

1268
01:02:15,950 --> 01:02:14,339
mismanaged and you're saying hey I need

1269
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:15,960
a way to earn a living is that everyone

1270
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,780
in the community what would speak to me

1271
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:21,660
for over a year after the videos

1272
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:23,579
yeah when you say the videos let's be

1273
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:24,720
clear for the record what you're talking

1274
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:28,260
about uh the Slander videos that your

1275
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:30,900
clients put out two days or two weeks

1276
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:33,420
before Christmas in an attempt to make

1277
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:35,460
sure that my reputation was completely

1278
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:40,910
uh two days before Christmas two weeks

1279
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,700
before Christmas of uh 2019 was it or

1280
01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:46,319
2018.

1281
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:47,880
right it was right after we filed the

1282
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:50,760
lawsuits and the judge asked everyone to

1283
01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:53,460
come together to come to to speak with

1284
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,700
each other in a way to come up with an

1285
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,520
agreement to end this the judge asked us

1286
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:01,680
to do that and that's what we thought we

1287
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,020
would do but the next thing we know all

1288
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:06,540
the videos popped out okay so created

1289
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,040
millions of dollars in damage okay

1290
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:10,079
million dollars in damage and you're

1291
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,780
saying the videos came out in 2018 or 19

1292
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:14,940
a couple days before Christmas a couple

1293
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,859
weeks I believe a couple weeks before

1294
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:19,200
Christmas right after the loss was filed

1295
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:20,700
is that right and when you say right

1296
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:22,020
after the lawsuit was filed

1297
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:23,940
approximately how long after the lawsuit

1298
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:25,260
was filed do you think these videos came

1299
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:27,000
out

1300
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:30,299
I don't know four to six months okay

1301
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:32,220
so four to six months and the videos

1302
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:34,440
cause you damage uh let me ask you this

1303
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:36,420
you mentioned going to Elders before

1304
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:39,000
getting involved in a lawsuit is that

1305
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,260
something you did in this instance where

1306
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,240
you went to Elders no didn't go to

1307
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,359
Elders we approached the actual people I

1308
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:47,520
mean the the whole thing with going to

1309
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:49,020
your elders in this community is then

1310
01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:50,520
the elders talk about it and then it

1311
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:53,339
goes everywhere and it becomes a big

1312
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,020
public relations nightmare no matter

1313
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,140
what the best way to handle things is

1314
01:04:03,170 --> 01:04:01,260
one on one and you talk to the people

1315
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:03,180
you have a problem with you don't do

1316
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:04,319
what a lot of people in this community

1317
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:06,359
do they just go and

1318
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:09,000
and complain and then hope it gets

1319
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,400
all resolved by everybody that doesn't

1320
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,799
like what happened it's

1321
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:15,720
and so you see what most people do in

1322
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:18,359
the community is being ineffective

1323
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,980
it's obvious that Community is

1324
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:22,079
completely collapsed because of its

1325
01:04:27,289 --> 01:04:25,500
infighting backstabbing gossiping that

1326
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:27,299
you know they took advantage of and when

1327
01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:28,980
you say that Community what let's be

1328
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:30,359
specific what community are you

1329
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:31,799
referring to

1330
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,240
um the esoteric disclosure community

1331
01:04:39,770 --> 01:04:38,160
and what is esoteric disclosures

1332
01:04:43,609 --> 01:04:39,780
community mean to you

1333
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:43,619
people that have more esoteric spiritual

1334
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:46,559
beliefs gravitate together as do people

1335
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:49,880
who believe in aliens and want to and

1336
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:51,900
higher technologies that are not

1337
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:54,780
disclosed that they want released okay

1338
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,059
and so in that Community you feel that

1339
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:00,000
going to Elders even though a lot of

1340
01:05:03,609 --> 01:05:01,980
people expect that or want that is a PR

1341
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:03,619
nightmare because there's no

1342
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,559
confidentiality and things get out none

1343
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:09,359
and so you believe everyone knows that

1344
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:12,119
there's a zero confidentiality anywhere

1345
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:14,099
and so your belief is going to that

1346
01:05:17,329 --> 01:05:15,720
person and saying hey I have a problem

1347
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,339
with something you did going to them

1348
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:19,740
directly is the best way to resolve

1349
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:20,520
something

1350
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:24,240
correct yes and before legal action and

1351
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,420
prior to this lawsuit being filed uh did

1352
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:29,280
you do that with my clients and met them

1353
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:30,660
and said hey I have a problem with what

1354
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:34,020
you're doing yes okay and what was their

1355
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,940
response from you they completely

1356
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:37,440
ignored me

1357
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:41,160
everyone agreed that I was the CEO and

1358
01:05:48,049 --> 01:05:44,760
everything I said goes when it comes to

1359
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:48,059
my IP we have them on audio agreeing to

1360
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,740
it we have them in emails agreeing to it

1361
01:05:58,130 --> 01:05:52,079
we have witnesses to them agreeing to it

1362
01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:58,140
and at some point when uh Leon spoke to

1363
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,119
a famous director that looked at our

1364
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:02,400
stuff and then they said wow this is a

1365
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:04,980
billion dollar property who said that

1366
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,799
Antoine Fuqua allegedly

1367
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,780
were you there for Antoine Fuqua to say

1368
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:12,000
this is a billion dollar no Leon went

1369
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:14,339
and met him and after the dinner with

1370
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:17,940
him had a very excited email and phone

1371
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,720
call with us all okay and this Antoine

1372
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,720
Fuqua where is he where does he reside I

1373
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:27,119
don't know but uh I don't know where he

1374
01:06:31,490 --> 01:06:29,579
resides probably L.A so California is

1375
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:31,500
somewhere in California I guess okay and

1376
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,859
you see you're saying that the value of

1377
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:36,539
of what you had as far as intellectual

1378
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:40,319
property was uh looked at by Anton Fuqua

1379
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,119
and he placed the value like a billion

1380
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,460
dollars right correct and then after

1381
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,599
that everyone changed everyone

1382
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:49,680
started pulling me out of all the

1383
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:52,700
decisions telling me that I didn't have

1384
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,140
uh the experience or I didn't know what

1385
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:57,599
I was doing the things that I wanted to

1386
01:07:03,490 --> 01:07:00,780
do here were naive and stupid but

1387
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,500
they're all coming about now

1388
01:07:08,690 --> 01:07:06,000
I mean the announcements are going to be

1389
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,700
wonderful so tell me this with Antoine

1390
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,960
Fuqua saying it's a billion dollar

1391
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:11,640
evaluation was there anyone else who

1392
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:13,380
said hey this is a billion dollar

1393
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:16,640
evaluation other than Anton Fuqua agreed

1394
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:19,260
and thought that it might be much much

1395
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:28,730
um she's a producer that I had met once

1396
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:31,799
at a conference and then later were

1397
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:33,180
reacquainted

1398
01:07:40,270 --> 01:07:36,660
by Leon okay

1399
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,289
since then

1400
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:44,400
sure oh yeah

1401
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,780
um

1402
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,240
you know I people I've signed

1403
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:50,400
confidentiality agreements with that I

1404
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:53,220
can't discuss okay so right now you're

1405
01:07:56,569 --> 01:07:55,079
refusing to give those names if anybody

1406
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:56,579
else who's evaluated your company

1407
01:08:04,010 --> 01:07:59,460
everyone uh that's involved under

1408
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,020
confidentiality agreement yes okay uh so

1409
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,480
you're not going to share or disclose

1410
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,920
the name of those even though I'm asking

1411
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:10,640
for them correct objection

1412
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,619
yeah I'm not going to give the names

1413
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,480
of the people I'm about to sign

1414
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:16,980
agreements with to a room full of

1415
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,299
content thieves

1416
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,679
okay

1417
01:08:23,650 --> 01:08:21,960
and earlier you mentioned that you were

1418
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,660
the CEO

1419
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:25,679
uh and so I want to make sure I'm

1420
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:29,160
understanding that was a CEO and you're

1421
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:32,160
referring to trademarks were you the CEO

1422
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:35,580
of good Enterprise Solutions Inc at all

1423
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:37,380
times when you had it in Texas and you

1424
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,000
moved it here I believe that's the

1425
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:41,279
designation you can answer it so take a

1426
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:43,020
second object so I can make my record

1427
01:08:47,329 --> 01:08:45,900
okay yeah and if I'll ask if if she if

1428
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:47,339
you see her raising her hand just make

1429
01:08:54,169 --> 01:08:50,940
sure to hold off give her time to object

1430
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:54,179
uh can I get his answer right back okay

1431
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,040
on what was the question

1432
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:58,799
were you the CEO at all times of good

1433
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:02,279
Enterprise Solutions Inc when I was in

1434
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:03,660
Texas and then it moved to Colorado in

1435
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,359
2017. yes I believe so

1436
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,520
was anyone else CEO at any time of that

1437
01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:11,040
interview no one's ever been CEO

1438
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:12,660
my wife I believe was set up as

1439
01:09:16,689 --> 01:09:14,100
president

1440
01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:16,699
okay and you and I are doing a bad thing

1441
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:19,739
that uh gonna try to remember the court

1442
01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:21,900
reporter's last name is going to be mad

1443
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:24,839
at us for which is you can anticipate my

1444
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,819
question before I finish it which is

1445
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,080
sorry about that

1446
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:30,660
which is totally normal but just do your

1447
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,339
best to hold off it'll also give your

1448
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,319
your attorney time to give her objection

1449
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:37,199
so you mentioned being CEO so you had

1450
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:40,440
control of these trademarks or this

1451
01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:42,359
intellectual property and you said

1452
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:44,759
everyone agreed that that you were the

1453
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:46,920
owner yes um

1454
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:49,020
when you say everyone agrees that you're

1455
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,239
the owner wouldn't there be a

1456
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,040
memorialized documents showing your

1457
01:09:58,910 --> 01:09:55,980
ownership with the USPTO or otherwise

1458
01:10:00,110 --> 01:09:58,920
I have trademarks in my name in the name

1459
01:10:02,570 --> 01:10:00,120
of my company

1460
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:02,580
okay and so you had those trademarks uh

1461
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:04,500
either registered with Colorado or were

1462
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:07,140
at the feds with the USPTO and you've

1463
01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:08,460
documented that you've papered it up

1464
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:09,540
correct

1465
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,420
yes okay and so for all of that there's

1466
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,400
no need for their agreement you have

1467
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:16,440
paperwork showing that you own that

1468
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:19,620
those trademarks or licenses right I

1469
01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:21,659
don't understand the question sure you

1470
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:23,699
you mentioned uh everyone agreeing and

1471
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,080
so I'm trying to understand why you said

1472
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,080
everyone agreed that you owned the

1473
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,000
intellectual property well as you will

1474
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,360
hear probably in several phone calls and

1475
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:36,000
the agreements with them I said when we

1476
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,179
set up the companies I am to be CEO

1477
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:42,840
I am and it's not just to control the

1478
01:10:47,870 --> 01:10:45,960
ownership of the IP but it's also to

1479
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:47,880
control how it is disseminated and

1480
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,500
portrayed

1481
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:51,540
um people were looking at it as a big

1482
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:52,920
Cash Cow and they're wanting to do all

1483
01:10:55,970 --> 01:10:54,000
sorts of different projects and

1484
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:55,980
different things off of it and I told

1485
01:11:01,610 --> 01:10:58,860
them no I want to do something like this

1486
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:01,620
everyone disagreed even though I'm the

1487
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,159
boss it's my IP and all of the

1488
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:08,159
shenanigans that you will that the jury

1489
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,820
will see are unfolded after that okay so

1490
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:14,159
you when you form the corporations or

1491
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:16,140
the entities and you dedicated your

1492
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:17,820
intellectual property to those entities

1493
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:21,540
you retain more than 51 percent or 66

1494
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:23,159
percent of the ownership so you can

1495
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:25,320
still control those entities I retained

1496
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,960
the CEO our the CEO

1497
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:31,920
position

1498
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,739
as a way to be the head of that company

1499
01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:36,960
because that company was going to be

1500
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:40,500
based on my IP and my IP was going to be

1501
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:43,860
leased to these companies this was all

1502
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:47,100
everyone from the beginning as you will

1503
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:51,120
hear and read agreed that if my IP was

1504
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:53,580
brought over it was to be leased to

1505
01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:56,580
other corporations that would be set up

1506
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:59,820
okay so and I understand CEO has some

1507
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:02,640
definite roles and responsibilities but

1508
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:06,060
a CEO could be let go by the board or by

1509
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:08,280
the own the owning members so my

1510
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,360
question specifically did you always

1511
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,719
retain we had power over the board too

1512
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:15,360
sorry can I finish you can

1513
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:18,600
um so and you might be answering my

1514
01:12:23,050 --> 01:12:20,760
question and I get that did you always

1515
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:23,060
retain an ownership interest such that

1516
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:26,580
you and or your wife had a controlling

1517
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:30,600
ownership interest of the llc's or the S

1518
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:32,280
Corps that own that intellectual

1519
01:12:37,689 --> 01:12:35,400
property yes and that was always the

1520
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,699
agreement going in is that we would

1521
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:39,440
retain

1522
01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:44,880
the ability to control VIP how it was uh

1523
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:46,820
published out

1524
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,400
and you know control how it was used and

1525
01:12:56,590 --> 01:12:52,320
so in the production of documents you've

1526
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:56,600
given me all of the uh the capital

1527
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:58,860
capital accounts all the ledgers

1528
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:00,780
anything to show the shareholder

1529
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,060
ownership to show that you always

1530
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:06,000
maintain control of the ownership of any

1531
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:07,620
of those entities that had your IP

1532
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,020
correct yeah it's all in emails it's all

1533
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:12,360
all in the documents that I gave you

1534
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:15,900
okay but and I'm not asking very

1535
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,420
specifically let me do a better job did

1536
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:20,880
you always make sure that you held a

1537
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:22,920
controlling interest in the ownership of

1538
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,840
the entities that held your intellectual

1539
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:26,000
property

1540
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,480
leased to

1541
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,280
no I'm not talking about ownership

1542
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:34,320
interest uh

1543
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:37,020
that in the companies that your

1544
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:38,340
intellectual property would be leased to

1545
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:39,600
did you always make sure you had an

1546
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:42,540
ownership interest of 50 51 or more yes

1547
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,480
okay and in the entities where a super

1548
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:47,760
majority is required or a majority like

1549
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:50,580
66 percent uh I haven't seen the

1550
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,860
operating agreements or the bylaws of

1551
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:55,199
your various entities but did you always

1552
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,300
make sure to maintain a controlling

1553
01:14:01,490 --> 01:14:00,000
interest in those in the ownership so

1554
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:01,500
that you could direct

1555
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:03,480
what you wanted with those companies

1556
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:06,420
objections you can answer

1557
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:10,080
um yeah I mean with Ascension Works TV I

1558
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:14,460
have the majority I'm the CEO and but

1559
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:16,260
it's a little bit different this is not

1560
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,159
all based on my IP it's not all based on

1561
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:22,620
my story we have people coming in who

1562
01:14:29,050 --> 01:14:25,739
are going to be doing their own shows

1563
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,060
and doing their own courses so it's

1564
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:31,280
you know

1565
01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:35,520
my IP is leaks and goes into it of

1566
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:36,860
course but

1567
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:40,260
I I don't oversee everything that has to

1568
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:43,500
do with the running of that

1569
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:46,020
business just because of the fact that

1570
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:58,370
production where we're producing things

1571
01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:01,320
for other people and

1572
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:03,300
end of your IP those who have been

1573
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:05,219
memorialized in a written agreement a

1574
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:07,140
contract because you like to memorialize

1575
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:09,540
things right right well as you will like

1576
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:12,960
I said read I asked over and over to

1577
01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:16,260
have the contracts done first Roger

1578
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,060
Richards would go and just create

1579
01:15:23,149 --> 01:15:19,679
companies

1580
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:23,159
uh like most people buy URLs and then he

1581
01:15:26,770 --> 01:15:24,300
would go and dissolve them if we didn't

1582
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:26,780
use them he would create them before

1583
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,840
operating agreements and contracts were

1584
01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:33,000
created and signed so would you withhold

1585
01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:34,860
signing a lease agreement until

1586
01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:36,900
everything was formalized and the entity

1587
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:39,480
was structured so they they never so

1588
01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:40,980
that you had a controlling interest in

1589
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,199
that entity

1590
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:44,760
the lease agreements would never come

1591
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:47,460
into fruition I was always they would

1592
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:48,600
set up a company let's just get this

1593
01:15:52,370 --> 01:15:50,760
going let's just get this going and then

1594
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:52,380
when I would start pressing for the

1595
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,500
attorneys and for the lease agreements I

1596
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,080
would start getting all these other

1597
01:16:02,750 --> 01:16:00,000
um stories about

1598
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:02,760
how things should be ran okay so would

1599
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:04,199
you be giving up your intellectual

1600
01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:06,120
property without having a lease

1601
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,219
agreement in place

1602
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:10,500
did you understand did you give up any

1603
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,940
of your intellectual property or

1604
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,159
trademarks or costs have you given up

1605
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,800
anything okay did you ever at least you

1606
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,300
mentioned leasing it to various entities

1607
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,640
did you ever when those entities were

1608
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,500
started without all the paperwork

1609
01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:25,320
would you allow your your trademarks to

1610
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:26,940
be used with those entities before you

1611
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:28,920
had something in writing on a on

1612
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,219
occasion I was unable to to get the

1613
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:34,920
lease agreements that I wanted and I was

1614
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:36,659
being pressured

1615
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:39,420
um Leon Kennedy came in

1616
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:43,320
and when he came in he said I have to be

1617
01:16:47,450 --> 01:16:45,780
the gatekeeper I wasn't allowed to talk

1618
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:47,460
to anybody nobody was allowed to talk to

1619
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:50,460
me including attorneys accountants

1620
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,980
anyone if there was accountants I

1621
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:54,420
couldn't even David Wilcock I couldn't

1622
01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:55,440
even talk to him about business

1623
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,159
everything went through him he looked he

1624
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,480
did all contracts everything went

1625
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:03,360
through sorry Leon okay

1626
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,880
um you know he's the one that uh you

1627
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:07,440
know I would say hey should we send this

1628
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:09,420
Con this to an attorney he's like no

1629
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:10,739
attorneys ruined everything they're

1630
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:12,120
going to want they're going to find

1631
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:14,040
something wrong just so they can charge

1632
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:16,380
you know all this stuff and he's you

1633
01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:17,940
know I've done this for 50 years I know

1634
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:21,480
contracts and he would always

1635
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,640
tell me whether or not to sign things

1636
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,520
did you follow Leon Kennedy's Council in

1637
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,199
the beginning I trusted him

1638
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,080
but things started becoming very clear

1639
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:39,709
things were not being ran the way I had

1640
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:42,300
told him to run them when you say in the

1641
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,580
beginning when is that to you

1642
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:47,040
when he was introduced to me by David

1643
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:48,300
Wilcock

1644
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,280
and he came in with all this big talk

1645
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,440
about Hollywood

1646
01:17:55,550 --> 01:17:54,480
you know he pretty much knew how to do

1647
01:18:01,390 --> 01:17:55,560
everything

1648
01:18:07,729 --> 01:18:04,669
2017. I can't okay

1649
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:07,739
and so uh when you're being pressured to

1650
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:09,960
starting to do things without contracts

1651
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:12,120
in place did you succumb to that

1652
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:13,500
pressure and go ahead and

1653
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,440
I did how so

1654
01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:19,260
um peer pressure the group saying you

1655
01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:19,940
know

1656
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:25,140
that I was being the pain in the ass

1657
01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:27,179
because I wanted everything run by

1658
01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:29,640
industry standard they just wanted to

1659
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:31,640
move fast loose

1660
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:35,520
you know Leon's you know the tax stuff

1661
01:18:39,530 --> 01:18:37,620
the way everything was going was

1662
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:39,540
freaking me the hell out every time I

1663
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:42,600
brought it up to Leon his favorite

1664
01:18:46,729 --> 01:18:45,239
saying was Corey if you're paying taxes

1665
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:46,739
you're doing it wrong

1666
01:18:51,709 --> 01:18:49,560
and that scared the out of me

1667
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,719
I was thinking what is this going to get

1668
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:53,760
me into I've seen all of these things of

1669
01:18:58,430 --> 01:18:55,020
Hollywood people getting in problem

1670
01:19:02,450 --> 01:18:58,440
having problems like this

1671
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,460
um so and when you know he told me he

1672
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,280
was this expert you know and then

1673
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:06,960
um everything just started getting

1674
01:19:13,390 --> 01:19:10,560
screwed up you know the contracts with

1675
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,400
um the every the second

1676
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:16,260
movie with everyone

1677
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:18,900
Graham was supposed to be the director I

1678
01:19:23,470 --> 01:19:21,900
had presented a outline because it was

1679
01:19:26,530 --> 01:19:23,480
based on my IP

1680
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:26,540
and it ended up

1681
01:19:36,649 --> 01:19:29,400
last minute being taken by Roger and

1682
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,510
kind of I don't know what happened I

1683
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:40,080
didn't even get to see it until it was

1684
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,780
already pretty much sent to 10.

1685
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:46,080
and it was a disaster the audio was a

1686
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:48,120
total mess Roger had brought in his

1687
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:50,520
professional audio people that screwed

1688
01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:51,780
everything up we had to come up with

1689
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,179
more money and more time it was kicked

1690
01:19:57,470 --> 01:19:55,920
everything back we almost lost a hundred

1691
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:57,480
thousand dollars that was a part of the

1692
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:58,620
advance that was going to be given

1693
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:00,900
because Roger and Leon were so late

1694
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:02,820
uh

1695
01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:09,980
you know it was it was a constant mess

1696
01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:13,140
when they you've mentioned earlier that

1697
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:15,719
you provided an outline that was used by

1698
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:19,140
is that right no an outline that was

1699
01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:21,960
sent to the team that I said this is

1700
01:20:28,030 --> 01:20:25,140
what the the next movie needs to be uh

1701
01:20:31,149 --> 01:20:28,040
about and

1702
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:31,159
uh was supposed to direct it

1703
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:34,260
I've asked about it he's he said he

1704
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:35,640
doesn't even know what happened he's

1705
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,060
willing to testify on a number of things

1706
01:20:45,709 --> 01:20:42,719
um was he under contract to direct it uh

1707
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:45,719
no he wasn't under contract okay there

1708
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:47,520
was I don't think Roger ever anyone else

1709
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,400
okay so there's no contract with uh

1710
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,980
Graham was this outline that you

1711
01:20:57,229 --> 01:20:54,960
provided uh

1712
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:57,239
you said you provided it to the team who

1713
01:21:04,610 --> 01:20:58,920
was on the team at that point

1714
01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:07,810
Brandon's last name is

1715
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:10,790
and if there were any assistance of any

1716
01:21:17,229 --> 01:21:13,320
type back then I don't think there were

1717
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:23,030
let's see

1718
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:25,850
I think it was in 2019. I'd have to

1719
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:28,020
refer to the uh the emails that we

1720
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:29,880
provided you

1721
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,960
okay and so in 2019 you provided this

1722
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:36,239
outline but the direction of it went a

1723
01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:37,920
different way that you weren't expecting

1724
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:41,159
it to go right absolutely and when that

1725
01:21:45,169 --> 01:21:42,780
outline was provided that outline was

1726
01:21:46,490 --> 01:21:45,179
provided under the auspices of What

1727
01:21:48,649 --> 01:21:46,500
entity

1728
01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:48,659
uh I don't understand the question sure

1729
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,239
well you you created that outline you

1730
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:53,040
you thought you're the content creator

1731
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:57,300
for it right yes and uh when you created

1732
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,460
that you were working under who's nickel

1733
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,199
were you working under Ascension works

1734
01:22:06,410 --> 01:22:03,840
or good Enterprises good Enterprise okay

1735
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:06,420
so good Enterprise had possession of of

1736
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,940
that idea that content right

1737
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:11,520
okay and so when you had a possession of

1738
01:22:17,770 --> 01:22:14,400
an idea did you do anything to uh

1739
01:22:20,090 --> 01:22:17,780
to memorialize or

1740
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,100
authenticate your ownership of that that

1741
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:23,280
content it was based on my IP and when

1742
01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:24,780
you say your IP was that with the

1743
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:27,480
Colorado State or with the USPTO all of

1744
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,440
the above

1745
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:31,140
so you registered it yeah well my

1746
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:33,659
intellectual property is registered it

1747
01:22:38,209 --> 01:22:35,820
was based directly on my IP just like

1748
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:38,219
when you go over the outline it's all

1749
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:42,300
based on my information that I have

1750
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:45,600
released before your clients even began

1751
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,820
to work with me so in 2019 one of the

1752
01:22:51,890 --> 01:22:49,560
files on this hard drive will be you

1753
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,900
registering that outline or that content

1754
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,239
that you had the information that you

1755
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:57,600
wanted to move forward with no I what

1756
01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:59,100
I'm telling you is it's based on

1757
01:23:07,729 --> 01:23:01,260
registered marks

1758
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:07,739
and IP is it is all based on this based

1759
01:23:12,169 --> 01:23:09,480
on that book based on the information

1760
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:12,179
this this book is my intellectual

1761
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,940
property okay it out it lays out my

1762
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:16,860
intellectual property

1763
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,800
and so the outline was based on the book

1764
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,900
and what this book didn't exist and it

1765
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:23,280
was based on my intellectual property

1766
01:23:31,090 --> 01:23:26,040
which is now that book right which is

1767
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:33,410
sure we can just do it now